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Peugeot now cutting prices on their MY23 E-2008 to (drum roll)

You've never seen European E vehicles that cheep cheepest it's ever been cheeper than cheep just cheep cheep cheep cheeper than sweet and sour used to start at North of 60 you better get in quick or your wallet will cry you a river.

Only dealer service please those with nil e-qualifications service will see your warranty void.

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You would hate to be the sucker that paid full RRP for one. Not that anyone did??
 
They're all doing it
GWM and BYD are both offering "special" deals on their 2023 models.
The caveat on the BYDs is they are already registered and may not come with a full warranty and registration, demo model?
 
When Elon shaves a quarter off EV prices it has to have some effect on the other players. The Peugeot offer reads as 'from' $39,990 for 'selected' MY23 vehicles. It may not mean they are all $40K. It could mean there are some registered demos with several thousand kms logged and upwards from there. You'd have to ask what 'from' actually means. A few weeks ago Trivett Alexandria had at least 4 of these demos, most registered and with under 1,000km, on offer at $50K.

See: https://www.peugeot.com.au/buy/new-car-offers/e-2008-suv.html

The offer fine print from the Peugeot website:
1. Special driveaway price at participating PEUGEOT Dealers on all new and demo MY23 PEUGEOT E-2008 GT SUVs sold between 01/05/24 and 30/06/24 and delivered by 30/06/24. Offer excludes fleet, government, and rental buyers. Not available in conjunction with any other offer. PEUGEOT Australia reserves the right to change, supersede or extend these offers at its discretion. Metallic and premium paint not included and are at an additional cost
2.. 5 Year / Unlimited km Warranty on PEUGEOT passenger vehicles. Subject to terms, conditions and exclusions. Visit www.peugeot.com.au/owners/warranty.html.
3. 5 Year Roadside Assistance on PEUGEOT vehicles. Subject to terms, conditions and exclusions. Visit www.peugeot.com.au/owners/peugeot-roadside-assistance.html.
4. Subject to terms and conditions, visit www.peugeot.com.au/owners/peugeot-servicing/service-plans.html.
5. 8 years or 160,000km which ever comes sooner, from the vehicle's warranty start date. Subject to terms and conditions, visit www.peugeot.com.au/owners/warranty.html
6. .Approved applicants only. Terms, conditions, fees and charges apply. Finance is provided by IFSA Pty Ltd ABN 39 651 319 774 trading as PEUGEOT Financial Services, managed by Allied Retail Finance Pty Ltd ABN 31 609 859 985 Australian Credit Licence 483211. Available at participating PEUGEOT Financial Services Retailers only.
7. Guaranteed Future Value (GFV) is a loan feature which provides greater certainty about the minimum future value of your vehicle at the end of the loan term. Approved applicants only. Finance is provided by IFSA Pty Ltd ABN 39 651 319 774 trading as PEUGEOT Financial Services, managed by Allied Retail Finance Pty Ltd ABN 31 609 859 985 Australian Credit Licence 483211.
 
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David S said:
When Elon shaves a quarter off EV prices it has to have some effect on the other players. The Peugeot offer reads as 'from' $39,990 for 'selected' MY23 vehicles. It may not mean they are all $40K. It could mean there are some registered demos with several thousand kms logged and upwards from there. You'd have to ask what 'from' actually means. A few weeks ago Trivett Alexandria had at least 4 of these demos, most registered and with under 1,000km, on offer at $50K.

See: https://www.peugeot.com.au/buy/new-car-offers/e-2008-suv.html

The offer fine print from the Peugeot website:
1. Special driveaway price at participating PEUGEOT Dealers on all new and demo MY23 PEUGEOT E-2008 GT SUVs sold between 01/05/24 and 30/06/24 and delivered by 30/06/24. Offer excludes fleet, government, and rental buyers. Not available in conjunction with any other offer. PEUGEOT Australia reserves the right to change, supersede or extend these offers at its discretion. Metallic and premium paint not included and are at an additional cost
2.. 5 Year / Unlimited km Warranty on PEUGEOT passenger vehicles. Subject to terms, conditions and exclusions. Visit www.peugeot.com.au/owners/warranty.html.
3. 5 Year Roadside Assistance on PEUGEOT vehicles. Subject to terms, conditions and exclusions. Visit www.peugeot.com.au/owners/peugeot-roadside-assistance.html.
4. Subject to terms and conditions, visit www.peugeot.com.au/owners/peugeot-servicing/service-plans.html.
5. 8 years or 160,000km which ever comes sooner, from the vehicle's warranty start date. Subject to terms and conditions, visit www.peugeot.com.au/owners/warranty.html
6. .Approved applicants only. Terms, conditions, fees and charges apply. Finance is provided by IFSA Pty Ltd ABN 39 651 319 774 trading as PEUGEOT Financial Services, managed by Allied Retail Finance Pty Ltd ABN 31 609 859 985 Australian Credit Licence 483211. Available at participating PEUGEOT Financial Services Retailers only.
7. Guaranteed Future Value (GFV) is a loan feature which provides greater certainty about the minimum future value of your vehicle at the end of the loan term. Approved applicants only. Finance is provided by IFSA Pty Ltd ABN 39 651 319 774 trading as PEUGEOT Financial Services, managed by Allied Retail Finance Pty Ltd ABN 31 609 859 985 Australian Credit Licence 483211.
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Happy EOFYS if you can!!
(I didn't find $40k down the back of the couch. 😕)
 
Seems the dealers on Car sales have 38 of them for sale starting at $36K for 4000kms.
Some even have a build date of June 2024.
Must be virtual car
 
While Europe pivots towards smaller car Australia is heading the old Hummer days in USA which died a terrifying death
Clio 208 all the little Fiats continue to sell well in Europe and even Japan but Australia says no to small car bring all the warehouse size vehicles in - back to the days of darkness like USA in 80s with huge gigantula pieces of crap
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--courtesy of publicly available article on news.com.au:
New vehicle sales hit a record in April as well as achieving the highest ever year-to-date sales, the latest figures from the Federal Chamber of Automotive Industries (FCAI) show.

A total of 97,202 vehicles were sold in April, bringing the year-to-date total to 401,654, more than 50,000 higher than at the same point last year.

The SUV category continued to dominate, representing 55.7 per cent of total market share, followed by light commercial vehicles on 22 per cent share and passenger vehicles on 17.8 per cent.

The Toyota RAV4 was Australia’s top-selling vehicle in April with 5857 sales, followed by the Ford Ranger with 5569, Toyota HiLux with 4693, Ford Everest with 2400 and Isuzu Ute D-Max with 2380.

There was a sharp increase in sales of hybrid and plug-in hybrids, which captured 18.3 per cent of the market compared with 7.5 per cent last year, but battery electric vehicles saw a slight decline to 6.3 per cent, down from 8 per cent at the same time last year.

“We are witnessing a shift in consumer preferences towards more sustainable and efficient vehicles,” FCAI chief executive Tony Weber said in a statement last week.
 
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The instant tax write-off for business probably played a part in work utes like the Ranger that can also move the family and have a good load space and towing capacity. No doubt the FBT exemption has played a part in EV and hybrid sales to date. The pandemic and weaker currency likely has also turned more people towards domestic holidaying and maybe has made SUVs a little more attractive.

Also think about the mass and momentum that goes with that shift or doesn't necessarily follow what most would initially think.
Mazda 3 kerb weight 1,440kg.
Tesla 3 kerb weight ranges from 1,761kg to 1,824 kg.
The lightest Ranger has a kerb weight of just under 1,800kg and one of the heavier Ranger variants has a kerb weight of 2,300kg.
So, a Tesla 3 would be a similar size to a Mazda 3 and is punting around an extra 400kg. That extra 400kg would make a mess of the Mazda. And it's just as heavy as the lighter versions of a Ranger, so size is not everything.
 
Palo Verde said:
While Europe pivots towards smaller car Australia is heading the old Hummer days in USA which died a terrifying death
Clio 208 all the little Fiats continue to sell well in Europe and even Japan but Australia says no to small car bring all the warehouse size vehicles in - back to the days of darkness like USA in 80s with huge gigantula pieces of crap
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--courtesy of publicly available article on news.com.au:
New vehicle sales hit a record in April as well as achieving the highest ever year-to-date sales, the latest figures from the Federal Chamber of Automotive Industries (FCAI) show.

A total of 97,202 vehicles were sold in April, bringing the year-to-date total to 401,654, more than 50,000 higher than at the same point last year.

The SUV category continued to dominate, representing 55.7 per cent of total market share, followed by light commercial vehicles on 22 per cent share and passenger vehicles on 17.8 per cent.

The Toyota RAV4 was Australia’s top-selling vehicle in April with 5857 sales, followed by the Ford Ranger with 5569, Toyota HiLux with 4693, Ford Everest with 2400 and Isuzu Ute D-Max with 2380.

There was a sharp increase in sales of hybrid and plug-in hybrids, which captured 18.3 per cent of the market compared with 7.5 per cent last year, but battery electric vehicles saw a slight decline to 6.3 per cent, down from 8 per cent at the same time last year.

“We are witnessing a shift in consumer preferences towards more sustainable and efficient vehicles,” FCAI chief executive Tony Weber said in a statement last week.
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Have you tried to fit three 2024 approved child restraints into the back seat of an early Mazda 3 or similar?
In anything smaller than a "large" vehicle you have to be very selective on which restraints you purchase for them to fit them three across in the back seat. Even then in many medium size cars it simply isn't possible. In many of the smaller cars, once two seats are installed, there simply isn't room left for a child that doesn't need a child restraint.
The government are good at on the one hand blaming the general population for thoughtlessly buying larger vehicles, while on the other hand they mandate child restraints that require you have to buy a larger vehicle to fit them in.🤦‍♂️
 
Palo Verde said:
theconversation.com

Australians are having fewer babies and our local-born population is about to shrink: here’s why it’s not that scary

Fertility in Australia has dropped to the point that without migration the population will start dropping from 2037.
theconversation.com theconversation.com

so why are child restraint a thang when Australians are becoming barren anyways
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That article doesn't mean every family is going to have 1.5 children. More like 50% of couples will choose not to have children, and the other 50% will have three or more.
So 50% of families will need a decent sized car.
Even even if they only have one child, in many of the smaller cars you can't even fit one capsule in without the passenger seat being pushed right up against the dash. So even a one child family will need a mid sized vehicle.
I've got 16 grandkids, so I've seen all the trials and tribulations my kids have gone through finding suitable vehicles and child restraints to cart them around in.
One daughter bought a wide body Camry and then found the three child restraints she already owned wouldn't fit, you couldn't shut the back doors because of the armrests hitting the capsules.
It's a real sh#t show.
 
Greenpeace said:
Have you tried to fit three 2024 approved child restraints into the back seat of an early Mazda 3 or similar?
In anything smaller than a "large" vehicle you have to be very selective on which restraints you purchase for them to fit them three across in the back seat. Even then in many medium size cars it simply isn't possible. In many of the smaller cars, once two seats are installed, there simply isn't room left for a child that doesn't need a child restraint.
The government are good at on the one hand blaming the general population for thoughtlessly buying larger vehicles, while on the other hand they mandate child restraints that require you have to buy a larger vehicle to fit them in.🤦‍♂️
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That article doesn't mean every family is going to have 1.5 children. More like 50% of couples will choose not to have children, and the other 50% will have three or more.
So 50% of families will need a decent sized car.
Even even if they only have one child, in many of the smaller cars you can't even fit one capsule in without the passenger seat being pushed right up against the dash. So even a one child family will need a mid sized vehicle.
I've got 16 grandkids, so I've seen all the trials and tribulations my kids have gone through finding suitable vehicles and child restraints to cart them around in.
One daughter bought a wide body Camry and then found the three child restraints she already owned wouldn't fit, you couldn't shut the back doors because of the armrests hitting the capsules.
It's a real sh#t show.
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I think this comes down to piss poor design on both the car designers and also the designers of baby capsules and child seats.

For example look at how the back seats fold down of hatch backs and station wagons of modern cars compared to the offerings in the 60's and 70's. The back seats don't fold flat and the backs of the seats are not designed to carry a decent load. The backs of the seats flimsy in the back and end up looking like a ski ramp when folded. Modern cars are definitely not as practical as what cars where many years ago, its all about looks, connectivity and cup holders :rolleyes:.
 
There was once a thing called a people mover that had sliding doors, 3 rows of seats etc. lower Cda, better efficiency etc... but they lacked the tough image of an off roader monster truck and infact were made fun of as mums mini van or a sign of impotence (somewhat ironically).
 
lowpugV2 said:
There was once a thing called a people mover that had sliding doors, 3 rows of seats etc. lower Cda, better efficiency etc... but they lacked the tough image of an off roader monster truck and infact were made fun of as mums mini van or a sign of impotence (somewhat ironically).
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I had a 1st gen 1984 Nissan Prairie for a few years.
It was awesome for the purpose that it was intended for.
I had 8 adults in it a number of times going to training days, fight shows etc.
It was a little doughy with a full load as it only had the same 1.5L engine as the same year Pulsar, but it still got the job done.
The load are was huge with the seats out of the way, and even with all the seats up you could slide long lengths of wood, steel, etc underneath the seats as they stood proud of the dead flat floor.
I'd have another in a heartbeat, if I could find a decent original one at a reasonable price.
Trouble is the JDM boys have taken a shine to them, and the only ones I've seen of late are dropped down dragging on the road, with huge wheels, and massive amounts of negative camber.
But hey keep your eyes peeled for me fellas, it has to be a Series 1 though.

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FYI ... per Peugeot's AU website today.
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if you want an electric car .... i'd probably wait another 6months. they are struggling to sell them, so further discounting is almost inevitable :)
 
Inchcape have successfully established the market price of a 2008 electric. Trying to sell the replacements for more will be an interesting task.
Dumping exercises like this are usually on discontinued models or if an importer is going out of business. Of course an electric in storage has a declining value, given the finite life in years of the battery, so there is an incentive to move them.
 
Price discovery can be brutal. GoodCar company have a few used examples ex-Japan that will be low $30K's on the local road, but there is limited backup for a grey import. Nissan has just sliced $10K+ from their Leaf pricing, so their cheapest model will now be about the same price as MG. It's a race the bottom.
 
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