EV alternatives

suppose this could equally go in the Inchcape thread;

https://www.drive.com.au/news/cut-p...m.au&utm_content=article_3&utm_medium=partner

Stellantis – the parent company of Fiat-Chrysler and Peugeot-Citroen – has announced plans to sell electric cars from relatively fresh Chinese brand Leapmotor globally to challenge the likes of BYD and GWM.

Included in the global expansion of Leapmotor – founded in 2015 – are plans to launch two electric cars, a pint-sized city car and a Tesla Model Y-sized SUV, in Australia as soon as late 2024.

Prices and specifications for Australia are yet to be confirmed, but in its native market the most affordable version of the Leapmotor city hatch – the T03 – is less than half the price of the GWM Ora, which is Australia's cheapest new electric car at $35,990 drive-away.

This doesn't mean the Leapmotor hatch will be an $18,000 car in Australia, as it will need to gain crash-avoidance safety technology that is mandatory locally – given the domestic version lacks basic safety features such as side airbags.

Stellantis purchased 21 per cent of Leapmotor last year – at the cost of about €1.5 billion ($AU2.5 billion) – and owns 51 per cent of a new subsidiary, Leapmotor International, tasked with exporting Leapmotor cars.

Australia is one piece of a near-global roll-out for Leapmotor, due to be launched by Stellantis in key European countries – France, Italy, Germany, Netherlands, Spain, Portugal, Belgium, Greece and Romania – in September 2024.

Stellantis – the parent company of Fiat-Chrysler and Peugeot-Citroen – has announced plans to sell electric cars from relatively fresh Chinese brand Leapmotor globally to challenge the likes of BYD and GWM.

Included in the global expansion of Leapmotor – founded in 2015 – are plans to launch two electric cars, a pint-sized city car and a Tesla Model Y-sized SUV, in Australia as soon as late 2024.

From "late 2024" it is due to expand to the Middle East, Africa (classified by Stellantis as 'Turkey, Israel and French Overseas'), India, Australia, New Zealand, Thailand, Malaysia, Brazil and Chile – ahead of the UK in March 2025.

It is a stunning about-face for global car giant Stellantis, which has been one of the most vocal critics of the growth of the Chinese car industry.

Stellantis CEO Carlos Tavares has called for tariffs on Chinese cars sold in Europe to allow European manufacturers to compete on price with Chinese brands, or else risk a "terrible fight" that would see familiar European brands move production to countries with cheaper labour costs.

The BYD Dolphin is priced from €34,990 in Germany – while the most affordable Peugeot e-308 electric hatchback is €44,765, and a base-model Volkswagen ID.3 is €39,995.

Two Leapmotor vehicles have been confirmed for global sale as part of the initial launch wave, the T03 hatch and C10 SUV.

They are due to be followed by another SUV in 2025, two hatchbacks in 2026, and a third SUV in 2027, according to a new-model roadmap shown at a media event overnight.


Reports in Europe suggest the T03 may be built at the Tychy, Poland plant that currently produces the petrol Fiat 500 – which is about to be axed – while the C10 would be imported from Leapmotor’s Hangzhou factory, near Shanghai.

Asked if the T03 will be built in Poland, Mr Tavares told a media briefing including the UK's Autocar: "We do not assign vehicles to plants where there is no capacity available ... The case that you mentioned is one possibility.

"Of course, it is a plant that is meeting all the quality criteria and the cost-competitiveness criteria. Now, of course, if we do that allocation, it's because there is available capacity."

"The creation of Leapmotor International is a great step forward in helping address the urgent global warming issue with state-of-the-art BEV [battery-electric] models that will compete with existing Chinese brands in key markets around the world," Stellantis CEO Carlos Tavares said in a media statement.

"Leveraging our existing global presence, we will soon be able to offer our customers price competitive and tech-centric electric vehicles that will exceed their expectations.

"Under [new Leapmotor International CEO] Tianshu Xin’s leadership, they have built a compelling worldwide commercial and industrial strategy to quickly ramp-up the sales distribution channels to support Leapmotor’s robust growth and create value for both partners."

Leapmotor is one of a number of Chinese car brands to announce a move into Australia in recent days, following Xpeng, GAC, Aion, and an SUV from Skywell – plus Zeekr, confirmed earlier this year.


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had opportunity to pick brains of a regional battery dealer; ( just didn't think to ask about EV though ) has a nice earner due to their roadside assist territory's climate-related life expectancy of 2 years, but crippling costs in obligatory recycling - shipment to NSW, storage and handling including terminals taped, sorted by chemistry and containment or fire blankets for some, etc.,etc.
 
The $12K USD (in China) BYD Seal is sold in four Latin American countries.
The price there is $21K USD, which on the present exchange rate is $31,590 AUD.
People seem to forget the Chinese home market cars have f#ck all safety gear, unless they buy an upmarket version of the same model.
The $12K Seal (in China), would be about as safe to drive as a 1999 Toyota Echo.🤷‍♂️
I wouldn't be holding my breath waiting for a road legal, sub $25K EV in this country.
 
The Americans and the Europeans are getting excited about Chinese improvements in manufacturing efficiencies which Yellen calls "over capacity". Which means they are making things so cheaply nobody can compete. Their EV and battery manufacturing technology is according to some way ahead of western companies. So don't underestimate their capacity to produce an NCAP compliant car at a low price. Which the importer will boost to whatever they think the market will stand. If there's a trade war and we were clever we could get cheap cars but we're not and we won't.
Europe is not the most competitive place to manufacture at the moment and the accountants will be doing sums.
I wonder which brand Stellantis will stick on the thing? They have a lot to choose from. Something British. Something like Singer. Follow the example of MG branding. At least we know the plans Stellantis has for Australia.
 
The European Parliament by its decision to impose the EV upon the EU has opened the door for Chinese makers to make major inroads into the European car market and industry. This decision by Stellantis is an admission of economic reality. Buyers of European cars in Australia seem quite happy to buy European brands which are just that. Brands on cars cheaply made in Asia.
On the other hand the European commercial diesel is safe. Europe is re-militarizing and in that field the diesel is king and emissions are not counted.
 
Have the feeling that there might be a new political tariff imposition to correct the Chinese manipulation of their dominance, might well be imposed as an encouragement for China to adopt better environmental and labour laws or face punitive level playing field tariffs i.e you can play in our playpen only when you clean up your act.. Trumpian deception. !
 
The EU of course are masters at the sly art of non tariff trade barriers as Australian knows to its cost. The EU has an odd concept of free trade as our negotiators found this year. Which is why we are allowed to export so little to them. The world trade with China is enormous and goes both ways. China has a trade surplus with the EU but Chinese EU imports particularly from Germany are massive. It may seem that China is flooding Australia with goods but in value we are sending China far more. The regions that squeal loudest about Chinese competition, the USA and the EU, are the areas with the most uneven trade balances with Australia. I have little sympathy for them. Tariffs against China will hurt us as well. The WTO exists to hear cases against countries for unfair trade practices. I don't note any cases against Chinese EV makers.
 
Watched some entertaining episodes of "Clarkson's Farm" on Prime with my Daughter Dianne in Tasmania, very Bull in a China shop Jeremy Clarkson Style, but you would relate to the underlying Farming background Russell.
Some references to entry of Australian farm products to the UK market, and of course the continuing theme of his battle with jumped up local council idiots/elected dictator's that appose any expansion of his farming ventures.

Clarkson of course seems to delight in getting the biggest (not necessarily the best or most appropriate Tractor or faming implement for the job) bought back a lot of early farming memories way back when!! worth watching the series on Prime! My Wimmera Mallee rellos had a similar love for exotic machinery and it sounded like a good idea farming in difficult variable climate conditions.

Ken
 
My favorite program. Only watch on free to air. I notice all the farming ads during breaks which means farmers here are watching.
Yes, discovered that the series was on free to air when we met up with Brett and Tammy Rogers. (Brett was one of the early Citroen guys that formed part of the Original Aussiefrogs moderation team volunteers) We caught up with them at ROSS, very genuine wonderful people of that era when we first joined A/F.

We mentioned we had been watching Clarkson's Farm and he mentioned he was watching it on Tasmanian Free to air TV but of course at a much earlier stage of the series and we had just binge watched all then available series on Prime! so had to be careful not to spoil his anticipation on how things were turning out!!

Very enjoyable program, glad that current Farmers like it as well.

Ken
 
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